Comments on: Grails – incredible? Be surprised! http://blog.goyello.com/2009/08/14/grails-incredible-be-surprised/ Sharing our daily IT experience Fri, 30 Jul 2010 20:03:22 +0200 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 By: chanel http://blog.goyello.com/2009/08/14/grails-incredible-be-surprised/comment-page-1/#comment-765 chanel Thu, 03 Jun 2010 10:46:47 +0000 http://blog.goyello.com/?p=743#comment-765 Here elaborates the matter not only extensively but also detailly .I support the <br>write's unique point.It is useful and benefit to your daily life.You can go those <a href="http://thefer.net" rel="nofollow">thefer.net</a> <a href="http://Like-Acer.com" rel="nofollow">Like-Acer</a> <a href="http://tiny-jeweled-fingers.com" rel="nofollow">tiny</a> <a href="http://let-landslide.com" rel="nofollow">let-lands</a> <a href="http://iamateacherithink.com" rel="nofollow">iamateacherithink</a> <br>sits to know more relate things.They are strongly recommended by friends.Personally <br>I feel quite well. Here elaborates the matter not only extensively but also detailly .I support the
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]]> By: rborowiec http://blog.goyello.com/2009/08/14/grails-incredible-be-surprised/comment-page-1/#comment-211 rborowiec Mon, 17 Aug 2009 13:03:47 +0000 http://blog.goyello.com/?p=743#comment-211 Thanks for you comment. <br><br>I think Java is incredible and I think that it is a matter of choice. So, if you don't care about what is going on behind scenes you can freely choose a framework like Grails. I also think that is good that there are many frameworks for developing Java Web applications. It makes Java more popular and maybe, when most of the developers that have chosen Grails because it is fast they would soon try out new incoming JEE6 with new nice features when they needed more scalable frameworks. Who knows... Thanks for you comment.

I think Java is incredible and I think that it is a matter of choice. So, if you don't care about what is going on behind scenes you can freely choose a framework like Grails. I also think that is good that there are many frameworks for developing Java Web applications. It makes Java more popular and maybe, when most of the developers that have chosen Grails because it is fast they would soon try out new incoming JEE6 with new nice features when they needed more scalable frameworks. Who knows…

]]> By: NewbieOne http://blog.goyello.com/2009/08/14/grails-incredible-be-surprised/comment-page-1/#comment-210 NewbieOne Sun, 16 Aug 2009 23:47:56 +0000 http://blog.goyello.com/?p=743#comment-210 Kevin, you've got the point, but for example i've started using some frameworks just recently. Before i only was creating in pure JSP - i mean i never even used eclipse or netbeans. And i have learned a lot about getting my server and apps running. Of course it took some time to understand rules but now im pretty confident about what im actually doing. <br><br>But just a few weeks ago i stated trying some frameworks - Wicket was first try, but then i tried Grails. And it is just fine to see how my dev speeded up. Since im still newbie wih grails im not sure if i actually have to put any code into my pages except html with some groovy tags. I already know what is it like putting any scriptlets in JSP :) So im not doing it, but u mentioned as well that its fluffy scripting all around. Groovy is quite script-like language, but from my experience it is only a wrapper to real java. I know java, so why should i write some addictional code when i can pack it into few lines of groovy?<br><br>What i really admire is this all CRUD stuff. I'm setting my scaffold and im not worried any more. <br><br>I can see your point Kevin, but noone should always choose hardcore way of learning stuff ;) I mean - maybe after some work with grails someone will want to know what is under the hood and this way you can have another java-geek ;) (im joking, still im java-geek as well :)<br><br>Regards<br><br>ps. when is new post coming? im still learning grails and doing lots of tutorials, but many of them aren't "from the scratch", so im having difficulties sometimes :) Kevin, you've got the point, but for example i've started using some frameworks just recently. Before i only was creating in pure JSP – i mean i never even used eclipse or netbeans. And i have learned a lot about getting my server and apps running. Of course it took some time to understand rules but now im pretty confident about what im actually doing.

But just a few weeks ago i stated trying some frameworks – Wicket was first try, but then i tried Grails. And it is just fine to see how my dev speeded up. Since im still newbie wih grails im not sure if i actually have to put any code into my pages except html with some groovy tags. I already know what is it like putting any scriptlets in JSP :) So im not doing it, but u mentioned as well that its fluffy scripting all around. Groovy is quite script-like language, but from my experience it is only a wrapper to real java. I know java, so why should i write some addictional code when i can pack it into few lines of groovy?

What i really admire is this all CRUD stuff. I'm setting my scaffold and im not worried any more.

I can see your point Kevin, but noone should always choose hardcore way of learning stuff ;) I mean – maybe after some work with grails someone will want to know what is under the hood and this way you can have another java-geek ;) (im joking, still im java-geek as well :)

Regards

ps. when is new post coming? im still learning grails and doing lots of tutorials, but many of them aren't “from the scratch”, so im having difficulties sometimes :)

]]> By: Kevin http://blog.goyello.com/2009/08/14/grails-incredible-be-surprised/comment-page-1/#comment-209 Kevin Sun, 16 Aug 2009 04:21:11 +0000 http://blog.goyello.com/?p=743#comment-209 I am still confused as to why so many developers complain about the XML configs? Most of them are covered in Eclipse plugins with little to no work, and it gives you a nice understanding of the process between the various pieces. It amazes me how many developers continue to want to be removed further and further from actually understanding what is going on with their code. I have plenty of working J2EE apps complete with mysql configuration, schemas, xsd for JAXb object creation, build scripts, servelt/jsp, mvc framework and ejbs that literally take me a few minutes to copy/paste to a new project and build/deploy it. Then I just mostly work on the guts of the app itself with a little here and there configuration. How hard is it to do this? It seems groovy, grails, ruby/rails, etc are all these fluff frameworks that try to show ways java is hard or difficult to use and learn, yet java is far easier than c/C++, prolog, .net and many other languages and besides being the most sought after and used language, it's easier to learn than these others too. Maybe the OO concepts are hard for beginners, but being experienced, I find that trying to look at the horrible script like syntax of php, ruby and such, I don't find it at all easy to pick up and use. Thus far performance has shown Java to still be far ahead of all these other new frameworks, even those compiled on the JVM like JRuby and Grails. <br><br>Is Java really that hard? I mean, if you've been doing java for some years already and understand the language and the Jave EE stack, what is so difficult about it? Google has basically taken the hard work out of remembering how some configuration files work simply by looking things up and copying/pasting the modifying for your specific use.<br><br>So what is it that has gotten so many java developers hyping up Ruby, Groovy, Python, etc? Are these frameworks and languages being used in mass all over the web replacing Java EE sites, complete with full scalable sites handling millions of usres, transactions, etc? So far, most of what I find is "I'll use it for a pet project.. it's fun to mess around with." Great.. thats great if you've got all this spare time to try a language just for fun. I agree with that. But to use php's script like syntax, which is basically like putting Java code in a JSP page which as far as I've known for years is a VERY bad idea, I am lost as to why anyone would consider using php or ruby over Java for anything other than basic sites or to learn something new even though it's unlikely it will ever come close to being on the scale of Java or even .NET. I am still confused as to why so many developers complain about the XML configs? Most of them are covered in Eclipse plugins with little to no work, and it gives you a nice understanding of the process between the various pieces. It amazes me how many developers continue to want to be removed further and further from actually understanding what is going on with their code. I have plenty of working J2EE apps complete with mysql configuration, schemas, xsd for JAXb object creation, build scripts, servelt/jsp, mvc framework and ejbs that literally take me a few minutes to copy/paste to a new project and build/deploy it. Then I just mostly work on the guts of the app itself with a little here and there configuration. How hard is it to do this? It seems groovy, grails, ruby/rails, etc are all these fluff frameworks that try to show ways java is hard or difficult to use and learn, yet java is far easier than c/C++, prolog, .net and many other languages and besides being the most sought after and used language, it's easier to learn than these others too. Maybe the OO concepts are hard for beginners, but being experienced, I find that trying to look at the horrible script like syntax of php, ruby and such, I don't find it at all easy to pick up and use. Thus far performance has shown Java to still be far ahead of all these other new frameworks, even those compiled on the JVM like JRuby and Grails.

Is Java really that hard? I mean, if you've been doing java for some years already and understand the language and the Jave EE stack, what is so difficult about it? Google has basically taken the hard work out of remembering how some configuration files work simply by looking things up and copying/pasting the modifying for your specific use.

So what is it that has gotten so many java developers hyping up Ruby, Groovy, Python, etc? Are these frameworks and languages being used in mass all over the web replacing Java EE sites, complete with full scalable sites handling millions of usres, transactions, etc? So far, most of what I find is “I'll use it for a pet project.. it's fun to mess around with.” Great.. thats great if you've got all this spare time to try a language just for fun. I agree with that. But to use php's script like syntax, which is basically like putting Java code in a JSP page which as far as I've known for years is a VERY bad idea, I am lost as to why anyone would consider using php or ruby over Java for anything other than basic sites or to learn something new even though it's unlikely it will ever come close to being on the scale of Java or even .NET.

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